Sunday, December 28, 2008 03:32 pm
Pilot's Story about a low approach
John Attebury sent in some
about a very low approach.
Sunday, December 28, 2008 03:31 pm
In December 2008 C141Heaven received the following note from Francis Tower:
I was the weather forecaster on duty 28 Aug, 1976 when both
crashed. We first got the call on 0008 and began our checklists for an aircraft
accident. As you can imagine, it got very busy and noisy. It seemed like 45 minutes
later one of the flight controllers got a call regarding 0006. He shouted to the
commander that he had a report of a C141 crash. The commander shouted back "We
already have the Greenland crash".
"Sir", he replied, this one is in England".
As the weather flight follower, it was my job to keep the flight updated on en route
weather. So close to England I wasn't able to contact the aircraft through Mildenhall
and update the weather forecast.
To this day I feel sorrow for all crew and passengers on both flights.
Concerning 0008, the speculation in the command post from the experienced C‑141
pilots was that flying into Sondrestrom and not having landed there before the pilots
view (because of the hump in the runway) was of the runway suddenly ending at the
base of the mountains. The crew could have panicked and started a go around with
insufficient air speed to clear the enclosing mountains.
Capt, USAF Ret.
Sunday, December 28, 2008 02:49 pm
Old Travis Maintenance Schedule
From Gary Klein:
I came across the other day stored in one of my closets, a zippered folder
containing some material from my stint in the Air Force. One thing that I
found that some of the maintenance guys may find of interest is a form that
was handed out at the beginning of the shift to the crew chiefs at Travis
It is a Daily Maintenance/Flying Schedule from July '68 or '69.
Gary L. Klein
Former 602 OMS member and C‑141 Crew Chief
Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:45 am
710th MAS --October 1991
Harold Suggs submitted this photo and roster a week ago:
Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:32 am
Place the mask over your nose...
Mark Dean dug these out of a box of old AF stuff in his basement....
Saturday, September 13, 2008 07:29 am
A couple of emails of note for those of you near Scott AFB....
We are going to be able to open the old CINCMAC plane up one more time
before she goes to the new Heritage Air Park being built at Scott AFB.
was the second to the last C‑141 c model to retire. In fact, her last
flight into Scott was a month before the Starlifter Farewell at WPAFB.
hoping that you can pass on the message below and see if any retirees
in/around the St Louis area want to come on out and a spend a little
showing her off. I know there has to be a few Scott Mafia crewmembers
out there somewhere. Would love to see as many 141 alums out there as
For the older guys - C model experience not required (not much changed
except glass instruments). Uniforms not required either in case the
suit has shrunk a little - they seem to do that over time!
I didn't have time this week to check and see what bases are flying in
C-17, C‑5, KC-135 but maybe some Charleston, Andrews, WP or west coast
folks can hitch a ride in if they are really interested - just a
-----Original Message----- From: Greer, Lucia A SMSgt USAF AMC 618
Sent: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 6:04 pm
Subject: C‑141 at the airshow this year - come on out!!
Do you want to work the 141 static again this year? We are going to
up for the Scott Air Show again on 20/21 Sep. Let me know if you want
work any of it. I don't have any set shifts just whatever time you can
2hrs, 4hrs etc; beggars can't be choosers so whatever you would like
work. Just email me and let me know. If you can think of anyone else
was there from last year please forward it to them or anyone who would
come out this year. Former front-end crew, AE or Mx - all are welcome.
got a couple of local area retirees interested in coming in.
The CAP cadets will work the entry and exits so, the crew members
there are not many of us) who can be on the flight deck/cargo compartment.
This will probably be the last time the old girl gets powered up and
through as she will be going to Heritage Air Park for her
home in the spring.
Air show hours are 0900 to 1700
Sat and Sun. You will get an exhibitor badge that will allow you to
near the flight line and get a free burger or dog.
Last year we were in a great spot on the ramp to watch the flying show
the shade of the wings and this year the weather should be a little
Would love to see you all there. She powered up just fine last year
had the flight controls not been bolted, she would have passed a full
pre-flight. Let's have a great time spending the weekend with the old
LUCIA GREER, SMSgt, USAFR
TACC/XOPC Commercial Planner
Flight Engineer/Logistician dsn 779-3046
Wednesday, September 3, 2008 04:38 pm
Lee Sisselsky sent in some interesting info and photos of 61-02777 (the one
with that ugly 'can' on the back that was used for some special testing).
to see the
Monday, August 18, 2008 11:39 am
From Today's Headlines
According to a news story today on
CNNMoney.com General Dynamics has agreed to pay $4.06 million to the US
Government to settle charges that "a subsidiary fraudulently billed the
government for parts used in U.S. Navy aircraft and submarines", including the
C‑141! The charges were filed against General Dynamics, and its Armament and
Technical Products Inc. unit in a 2003 lawsuit, which alleged that "between
September 2001 and August 2003, [they] defectively manufactured or failed to
test parts used in various Navy aircraft, including the C‑141 transport
Now that would be news to all of us C‑141 Nuts.
Sunday, August 17, 2008 03:33 pm
John Burford has been spending a bit of time working on a C‑141 history project
and spent some time in the archives at Maxwell. He found the original cover
letter Lockheed submitted with its proposal to the Air Force.
Interesting but useless trivia:
Robert E. Gross and his brother (and investors) bought the "Detroit
Aircraft Company" for $42,000 in 1932 and renamed it to "Lockheed
Lockheed had originally been founded by Allan Loughead, who sold it to
Aircraft, which subsequently went bankrupt.
He died of pancreatic cancer on Sept 5th, 1961. He is buried at Forest Lawn
Memorial Park in Glendale California, in a crypt next to Walt
It Ain't the Rolling Stone
But at least he's on the cover!
1968 Lockheed sample stock certificate had a naked lady on it!
Looking to the sky of course!
Sunday, August 17, 2008 02:23 pm
Tube of Pain? Good Job Brownie
In the "olden days" many of the C‑141s crew and passengers came to call it
the "tube of pain". We had web seats and if you were lucky some crummy old
airliner-typee seats that faced backward and had about 1 inch of padding on
them. If you were REALLY lucky they sometimes had a "comfort pallet" with a
little kitchen and integrated toilets (it always seemed to me that the
proximity of those two creature comforts was too close for a guarantee of
sanitation ... and they never put that nice little strip of paper over the
A few weeks ago an article popped up in the headlines and on the internet detailing
a little diversion of Global War on Terror funds to a "Senior Leader Comfort
Capsule". It was fruitlessly renamed to "Senior Leader Intransit Conference
Capsule" to avoid any embarrassment at the excess and waste of funds. They
should still hang their heads in shame that our tax money is being spent
way (but of course, they won't.)
Will they get HBO on that 37" flat screen?
You can see lots of detailed documents about
waste of taxpayer funds at this link:
here for a copy of the article.
For my money, they should simply strap these VIP types to a beat-up old
pallet with some rusty tie-down chains and hook it to a parachute full of holes
and send them sailing out the back of the plane over the ocean somewhere between
the US and wherever they are headed for their important meetings. Think of the
future savings possibilities.
Of course, Senate and Congressional delegations are one of the prime "customers" for
VIP transit. It's unlikely that the budget for this boondoggle will be cut or even
given a second glance.
Sunday, August 17, 2008 01:47 pm
Travis Housing Burns!
From today's papers....
Sunday, August 17, 2008 01:43 pm
Hi All! I've been pretty swamped with work-related issues for the past
so and fighting some hackers who did damage to the discussion
know if I'll ever get them back. In any case, I've been consolidating all
the material I've located and you have sent in over the past month and will be
posting it over the next week. Please keep checking for new material here
Sunday, July 6, 2008 05:07 pm
Harold Suggs (MSG Retired, former FE FE) submitted the following image of a
poster hanging in his den. If anyone else has any more information
the HUGHES TTS .. images, manuals, workbooks, tests, etc., please
email or contact me and share what
you have in that old box in the garage with the rest of us.
Sunday, July 6, 2008 08:06 am
Attention Norton Alumni....Does anybody know Cisco?
Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:22 AM
I found C141Heaven on the net looking for any photos or information
regarding Norton AFB. My father worked on the flight line as a
civilian aircraft mechanic from the early 1950s until the early 1980s
this was a time that C‑141s were serviced regularly at Norton. I am
trying to organize a tribute to my father for the many years of
service he performed at Norton
My father is a colorful character affectionately called "Cisco" by
those who know him. His real name is "Charlie Carrillo" some people
may have called him "Charlie". His tribute is planned for late October
of this year to celebrate his 90th birthday. The new management of
what was once Norton AFB (now renamed San Bernardino Airport) has
given their permission and support to host the tribute at their
facilities on the base.
It should be a fun event and the San Bernardino Historical Society has
also expressed interest.
My question to you is two-fold:
1) Would you have any resources to find personnel that may have worked
with my father during his service at Norton AFB 1954-1982 and
2) would you have access to any photos of the flight line or C‑141s
taken at Norton AFB.
Prior to working at Norton he also worked on aircraft at Lockheed in
California and Kelly AFB in San Antonio from 1937 through the 1940's.
Any information or resources that you might be able to provide would
be very much appreciated. My father is still in great health and can
and affectionately does recount many stories of working on C‑141s
and the other aircraft that he serviced in his extensive career.
Thank you for your website, and the information you provide. I would
be happy to provide you with any information I gather also, however
the tribute is at this time a surprise for my father and I may be
limited in that regard. I hope you can help!
Sunday, July 6, 2008 07:50 am
Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 1:01 PM
This was a picture taken (probably in 1985) during a flight from
airdrop in Panama on the way back to Charleston. The aircraft
up and down but amazingly the one picture I took had them welded
Colonel Steve Cotter
Former Charleston DO, 21st AF/DO during Desert Storm, and McGuire
Saturday, June 7, 2008 05:13 pm
Some new pics
Early 70s view of the transient ramp at Clark.
The crews of these aircraft were looking forward to their first San
Copyright: Duncan Williams.
Duncan Williams sent some nice photos from the '70s! Check the following
for his shots:
Tuesday, June 3, 2008 03:05 pm
Some eBay stuff
For bachelors only. It would be very hard to persuade "She Who Must Be
that a C‑5 engineer's procedure training panel has any place at all in our
Maybe this $5.00 postcard would pass muster?
Friday, May 30, 2008 07:07 am
After a little bit of Googlin' I found a shot of the A-380 center console with
a nice close up shot of the mystery device.
From this angle you can see that it's a trackball .. linked to the computer
that runs the whole aircraft. Wonder if they are running Windows? Whoops
... it froze ... give me a second, then CTL-ALT-DEL ... wait 5 minutes for
it to come back up ... probably not.
The fantasy view of the A380 console
Thursday, May 29, 2008 05:37 pm
Those Frogs are at it again
Someone sent me a
link to a special 360
viewer for the A380 cockpit. Very cool.
Please email or contact me and tell me what
those two 'tits' are in just there on the console on either side of the
throttles? Perhaps some sort of pressure sensitive roller-ball mouse type
thing? Or just something to fondle on a long over-water flight?
Thursday, May 29, 2008 06:37 am
Info on Sigonella Crash
Got this note from Karl Juelch .... anyone with any insight or other info,
please let me know and I'll pass it on to him:
As a former C‑141 Crew Chief and Flight Engineer, it has been a very powerful
going through the site, seeing long ago half-forgotten names, pictures, and references to
I have been haunted by a number of events that happened to me during my C‑141 days,
after years of tossing them around in my head, I am now tying to put them down on paper.
Some of my most troubling memories concern the crash of
64‑0264 at Sigonella.
You may recall it was a Charleston crew that went down in 264 on that awful day, but if
things had gone just a little differently, it would have been a crew from McGuire instead,
and I would have been a part of that crew. We had spent a good chunk of the preceding day
trying to get 264 airborne, but one problem after another kept that from happening. We
finally burned out our duty day and had to go back into crew rest. Maintenance worked on
the acft through the night, and by the time morning rolled around we had been assigned
another tail number. I remember as we were leaving breakfast en route to our preflight, we
passed the ill-fated Charleston crew and wished them luck. We were in the air when we
heard the terrible news of the crash. It was very quiet on the flight deck--we were all
stunned and I'm sure more than a little guilty thinking, "There but for the grace of
Anyway, here it is all these years later and I can't let this go. In an attempt to pay
tribute to those brave guys (and maybe to find some sort of peace for myself), I've been
researching this crash, trying to make some sense of it. One of the things I've been
looking at is the causes of the crash. The effect of smoke inhalation on the crew has been
well documented as the final cause of the crash itself, but I'm trying to get a better
handle on what caused the in-flight emergency in the first place--the catastrophic failure
of the #3 engine turbine section. I vaguely recall that at the time the TF-33 engine was
not subject to an MTBO inspection regimen and instead was to be "operated until failure".
It seems the regularly scheduled overhauls were so seldom turning up any problems it was
decided to do away with them as a cost-saving measure.
Do you recall anything about that? Or could you perhaps point me in the direction of
someone who might know? I have been scouring the web, searching under as many possible
keywords I could think of and have found very little to no information on the crash
itself, or on the possible reasons for the TF-33's disintegration (back in 1973 a
departing Australia suffered a near identical mishap, but they managed to land with no
fatalities--though it was a damn close thing).
Thank you for any help or suggestions you could provide!
This response came in from Bill Mooney....
I was the jet engine dispatch shop chief at McGoo for a time and remember
the engines were due time change for hot section inspections at
6000 hours. The only waver I recall was for 100 additional hours after a
boroscope inspection, looking at the combustion cans and especially the first
stage nozzle vanes. The vanes tended to bow over time and lift out of the
platform base. Also they would warp so bad they pinged the high pressure
turbine- we saw it several times with the scope. In my experience the engine
failed the most on takeoff roll and on landing when reverse was applied on high
time engines..Would love to know how much time was on the incident engine
Monday, May 19, 2008 02:49 pm
My wife and I and a couple of wino friends just made a short trip to the
Monterey Bay area for a weekend of golf and wine tasting. We flew from
to LAX and on to San Jose. As we were landing in San Jose the pilot took an
unusual (for me anyway) route around the west side of the airport to land
towards the south... it was the first time I ever recall landing in that
direction. I was sitting in a window seat on the left side of the cabin. My
camera was all buttoned up per the 'put your electronic crap away' order
the flight attendants. Lo and behold, out the left window I got a great
Moffett Field and the ramp area next to the big blimp hanger. It took me
two seconds to disobey orders from the cabin crew and pull out my
Miracle of miracles, we all lived to fly again!
Out of three quick shots I snapped only one was in decent focus. There, in
all it's pure white glory, was NSA 714 ... check it out! The first one below is
just a cropped closeup and the second is the 'big picture' view. It made my
expensive trip to Monterey worth it just to see this.
Saturday, May 10, 2008 02:43 pm
On eBay this week
If you didn't get enough ACM seat time,
you can get more from eBay.
Tin C‑141 toy.
Monday, May 5, 2008 12:21 pm
Finally got a set of pics of
63‑8081 which was a hole in
the collection until Steven Hoppe, the
former crew chief of this tail number from Nov 85 to Oct 89, sent a bunch
Monday, May 5, 2008 12:02 pm
Can we all get along?
I got a new photo of
from former C‑141 flight engineer Bob Irvine. The photo was taken at the
Monterey California airport at the time of the riots in Los Angeles area
Saturday, May 3, 2008 01:06 pm
From my brother-in-law, Dr. Jeffrey Neff, a PhD Chemist:
Research has led to the discovery of the heaviest element yet
science. The new element, Governmentium (Gv), has one neuron, 25
neurons, 88 deputy neurons, and 198 assistant deputy neurons,
giving it an
atomic mass of 312.
These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons,
surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called
Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert; however, it can be
because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into
A minute amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would
take less than a second to take from four days to four years to
Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2-6 years; it does not
instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the
neurons and deputy neurons exchange places. In fact,
will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will
morons to become neurons, forming isodopes.
This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to
that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical
concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as
morass. When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes
element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since
half as many peons but twice as many morons.
Monday, April 28, 2008 10:46 am
Some New Photos
Last week I got some new photos from the 60th AMW historian. You can view
at these links:
tailnumber we never had a photo of before!
Saturday, April 19, 2008 02:21 pm
Way Back Machine
I got a set of photos from Robert Sawyer and a little description of each
... these are from a trip to Hanoi back in the 1973 to pick up a number of
POW's .. including John McCain. Here's the pics and his comments on each.
This is the first C‑130 to land after the war. On board were
representatives of the international team for POW release.
morning there was a dense cloud cover and no ground support.
USAF had eliminated all local navaids. While trying to find
the C‑130 crew was greeted by two Russion Migs The Mig pilot
the C‑130 to follow him, followed by a threat to shoot them
down if they
did not comply. The Mig pilot spoke perfect English ---
there was no
question as to his intent.
Our delegation was loaded on buses at the airport and driven
Along the way the Vietnamese government had lined the
volunteers. There were specific instructions on to take
photos from the
bus, so our independently thinking translator put the camera
arm and pressed the lens to the glass. We looked at the
identified some interesting characters. From the original 40
picture I was able to blow-up and print these shots. We
the dark-skinned individual was probably a product of the
occupation and soldier on the town. The guy by the tree was
someone who worked for the Americans. We had the suspicion
that he had
connections in the North, but could not provide it. The
Another 'under the arm photo'...The Hanoi Hilton.
The guy at the table in the white civies was the 'political
We identified this guy as the chief interrogator at the
Every time he was seen had a different rank on his collar.
I believe this was the individual that said "Reporting back
duty, sir." I don't recall his rank or name.
John McCain at the front left side of the line. I had a better
someone stole if from me. Years later I saw the same picture on
one of the
A close up of McCain.
64‑0641 on the ramp. My wife and I had been going through some old pictures when I
across the prisoner release photos. I looked up the tail number of the C‑141 and
C141Heaven. One thing led to another and we sent you the photos. Perhaps some folks can
identify some of the participant in the release. The people standing behind the fence
above are all representatives of what was called the 'international press'. There were all
from communist backed press organizations. (Romania, Cuba, China, Russia and other eastern
block countries.) We were unable to ID anyone from a western news agency. In fact the US
did not have any news media at the POW release in Hanoi. Canada did have a military photo
team on the ground. I don't believe the US had any official military photo people at the
64‑0641 lifts off.
Saturday, April 19, 2008 02:01 pm
Scott Field Aipark
From the St Clair County Journal - 4/19/2008
A rendering of the final map of Scott Field Heritage Air Park.
Air Park is taking off
By Aaron Sudholt
It took more than a decade, but the Scott Field Heritage Air Park
finally beginning to get off the ground.
The $1.5 million project began earning funding in recent months
acquisition of grants and donations from private donors valued at
$200,000 - enough to fund the first phase of a project that aims
five vintage aircraft on display in a park just outside the
Shiloh Gate of
Scott Air Force Base.
"We are just right at the point where we think we're going to
here in May," said Larry Strube, president of the Scott Heritage
Committee, which is overseeing the project. "We have a contractor
agreed to start on a lot of the site work, leveling the site,
drainage and getting the (preparatory) things in place to get the
rolling. With that in place, we're going to get started working."
The park would showcase airplanes commonly flown out of the base
them on slightly lifted platforms, at eye level but off the
so tires would not eventually wear out and drop them.
The park will feature a C-9 Nightingale, an aeromedical
aircraft; a KC-135 Stratotanker, used for air refueling; a C-140
used for cargo transportation; a C‑141 Starlifter, used commonly
transportation; and a C‑130 Hercules, used for air cargo drops.
The aircraft is on loan from the National Museum of the Air
Strube said that the project was left unattended during the 1990s,
in 2001 when the base notified the Belleville-Scott Committee
that the museum wanted the planes back if they were not going to be used.
The Scott Heritage Air Park Committee was formed to handle the
air park and
moved to secure funding.
The $200,000 secured by the committee will be enough to complete
phase of the project.
The first phase will include the construction of the display area for the
aircraft, valued at $100,000. The second will include the parking lot to the
visitor's area, the cost of which is still being determined. The third phase
will include a visitor's center and also has not been valued yet.
Contractors include Oats and Associates in Collinsville and
Holland Construction Services in Swansea.
There should be enough money left over from the $1.5 million that will cover
remaining maintenance costs, Strube said.
"There are steps that have to be taken to preserve the airplanes and get them
ready for display," he said. "You have to put ultraviolet coatings on the
windows, bird-proof them so animals can't get in and build nests like that."
Communities helping coordinate the efforts include Shiloh, Mascoutah,
Belleville, Swansea, and O'Fallon.
The committee hopes to have aircraft on display by the time of the 2008 Scott
Air Show, taking place at the base Sept. 21 and 22.
In the meantime, donation opportunities are being planned. The
committee has a fundraiser June 27 with a dinner auction, beginning with
cocktails at 6 p.m., dinner at 7 p.m. followed by the auction. Items for sale
will include tickets for airplane rides, football games and dinners with Air
"Hopefully we'll raise a lot of money for the airpark and the air show," said
Mike Leopold, member of the Scott Heritage Air Park Committee.
Leopold said the goal was to raise at least $50,000, though the committee hoped
Tickets cost $120 and can be purchased at the Greater Belleville Chamber of
Commerce or by contacting a chamber of commerce in a participating community.
Friday, April 4, 2008 07:43 am
If you frequent McGuire AFB you may be aware that they have a C‑141
project underway and will be doing a dedication plaque honoring all the
crewmembers/passengers from McGuire who died while flying (or riding) in
C‑141. These crashes date as far back as 1973 so they are having a
difficult time contacting next-of-kin to invite them to the dedication
If you are 'old friends' with any of the names listed below, and still in
contact with spouses,children, etc. of any of these folks, or if you are a
world-class Googler or run a detective services and want to help locate
please let me know. It's not unusual for one contact to point to another,so
you have any info at all, please let me know and I will pass it on to the
at McGuire to are attempting to pull all this information together.
Here's the list of names (and the date of the accidents):
28 August 1973 / Torrejon AB Spain
- Capt Thomas R. Dietz
- Capt Clinton C. Corbin
- 1LT William H. Kohn
- Maj Friedrich H Lamers
- TSgt Donald R Wells
- TSgt Edward P. Babcock
- TSgt Sidney N. Hillsman
28 Aug 1976 / Peterborough, England
- Capt John R. McNally, pilot
- Capt Leslie C. Birssette, co-pilot
- 1LT David A. Lynch, co-pilot
- 1LT William G. Martin, co-pilot
- Capt Robert A Eigenrauch, navigator
- Capt Kenneth M Burkhart
- Maj Alessandro Corona, Navigator
- MSgt Richard M Cleven, flight engineer
- TSgt Gaston J Vargas, flight engineer
- SSgt Harry R. Dempsey, flight engineer
- SSgt John H. Blackley, loadmaster
- SSgt Glenn K. Haberbuch, loadmaster
- Capt Dale C. Johnson, co-pilot
- Maj Edwin C. Payne, crew member
- Capt Charles Barlow, passenger
- Capt Olan Melton, passenger
- TSgt Bruce Kearns, passenger
- SSgt Jean Perrin, passenger
28 Aug 1976 - Sonderstrom, Greenland
- 1LT Leo D. Sullivan, pilot
- 1LT Glenn F. Bialke, co-pilot
- 2LT Jeffery T. Wilson, navigator
- TSgt Garland B. Peer, flight engineer
- SSgt Carlos M. Perez, flight engineer
- TSgt Patrick F. Quinn, loadmaster
- SSgt Charlie J. Bass, Loadmaster
- TSgt Leslie Foster, passenger
- Capt Robert E. Jones, passenger
- TSgt Terry B Ohnmeiss, passenger
- George W. Johnson, civilian
- Elvin G. Underdahl, civilian
1997 / Mid-air collision (Africa)
- Capt Peter C. Vallejo
- Capt Gregory M. Cindrich
- Capt Jason S. Ramsey
- SSgt Stacy D. Bryant
- SSgt Robert K. Evans
- SSgt Scott N. Roberts
- SSgt Gary H. Bucknam
- SrA Frankie L. Walker
- A1C Justin R. Drager
Friday, April 4, 2008 07:11 am
Don't Take What You Read In The Newspapers Literally
This little news-bit appeared in the 'Tulsa World' (on-line edition) this
Today in 1975
An Air Force C‑141 transport plane, which was the first plane in
airlift to evacuate Vietnamese orphans to the U.S., Australia and
crashed shortly after takeoff from Saigon, killing about 200
of them children. In spite of the crash that was believed to have
caused by sabotage, the airlift continued until more than 1,700
been flown to new homes.
Of course, it was not a C‑141, it was a C‑5. 138 people died, not 200.I
remember ever hearing anything about 'sabotage'. My recollection was
"rear-pressure door/ramp lock failure"...but maybe the disinformation
at the time might have spread that rumor or just didn't bother to put the
damper on speculation about sabotage to avoid embarrassment.
For more details on the C‑5 crash see
Quarterly. On pages 6-13 there are a series of articles about the
operation and the crash. As an added bonus, this same issue has an article
pages 16-18, entitled "Into the Sunset - Saying goodbye to the Venerable
There's an interesting website that has lots of Operation Babylift
Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:20 pm
From the Way-Back Machine
A little eBay find, from the December 1963 issue of Popular Mechanics, page
Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:19 am
Thanks to Stephen Tourangeau for the heads up on this news:
C‑141 ground breaking
3/21/2008 - Col. James Kerr, 514th Air Mobility Wing commander, Ted
Strempack, Thomas B. McGuire Foundation president, and Col. Balan
305th AMW and installation commander, shovel the first dirt during a
groundbreaking ceremony for McGuire AFB's C‑141 Starlifter Memorial
Park. The C‑141 was the backbone of Air Mobility Command and its
predecessor, Military Airlift Command, and it traveled the globe for
nearly 41 years delivering cargo, troops, and hope during peacetime and
war. This memorial, which displays the flagship of McGuire Air Force
Base's original fleet will honor the lives lost and the mission
excellence demonstrated by McGuire Airmen who flew, maintained, and
supported this historic aircraft. The aircraft on display at McGuire
was named 'The Garden State Airlifter' in recognition of the state's
contribution to the Air Force mission. In August 1967, it was the
first C‑141 to be delivered to McGuire.
Tuesday, March 25, 2008 06:46 am
New Pics of 40637
Kenneth Weston e-mailed a few shots of
from back in the
Thursday, March 20, 2008 09:11 am
Another eBay Opportunity
If it had not said "C‑141-A" I would never have found it. But, alas, I
don't need a piano roll according to SWMBO
(She Who Must Be Obeyed)
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:48 am
Now YOU Can Buy a C‑141
I've got a Google News Alert set up so that any time "C‑141" shows upin the
news, they send me an email...and I always get a little tingle when I see
email with the short title "Google News Alert for: C‑141" ...
Sunday, March 16, 2008 07:23 am
ASCENSION ISLAND DURING THE 1982 FALKLANDS WAR
I got a note from Gordon Smith who runs web site about British Naval
History.He's got a special page about various aircraft and ships passing
ISLAND DURING THE 1982 FALKLANDS WAR that has a few C‑141 pictures
on it (scroll toward the bottom of the page for the aircraft pics if you're
not a "boat kind of guy").
Friday, March 14, 2008 04:46 pm
If I have my info right...John McCain was released from his POW
experience on this date in 1973, along with 107 other POW's. If I'm right about
the date then it was on one of these tail numbers:67‑0007, 64‑0641, or
If anybody knows which one, please let me know.
Regardless of your politics, (and unexplainably to me some folks are
trashingMcCain on this topic) anybody who got into the mess in Hanoi and
surrounds deserves our unlimited and undying respect. No matter what we do,
there's no way to compensatethese folks for what happened to them, or to
understand exactly what they went through.
I was listening to one of his speeches today on POTUS 08, the XM politics
(channel #130) that plays most of the stump speeches uninterrupted and
without snarky and stupid comments from commentators. He commented about how he
was "one of the relatively few pilots who managed to intercept a missile with my
At this point, I'm inclined to vote for Obama ... but if it's Hillary ...
well then I'm probably going for McCain! Makes no sense, I guess, but go figure.
This is why our pollsters are going out of their minds trying to figure out
the voters this year.
Friday, March 14, 2008 04:30 pm
Bully Beef Reunion
A note from David Gualin ...
CALLING ALL FORMER BULLY BEEF!
The 6th Airlift Squadron will be celebrating its 75th anniversary
October 4, 2008 . We are looking for all members
of the 6th AS/MAS/TCS who served with the squadron since 1933. We
will be hosting a formal dinner along with tours of the C‑141 Starlifter
memorial and the C-17 Globemaster along with other activities. If you are
interested in attending, or have photos/stories to share, please contact
Captain Dave Gaulin at 580-278-1328 or email
This is truly a historic event--the 6th is the oldest airlift
squadron in the Air Force...and the world.
Friday, March 14, 2008 04:27 pm
Finally..photo of 66‑0141
Thanks to Tom Wiles for sending in a photo of
Monday, February 18, 2008 03:42 pm
Two More YouTube Videos.....
Danny McGahee created a video tribute to 177 ...
Click this link to
C‑141 demolition .... ...
Click Here to View
Sunday, February 17, 2008 01:57 pm
Out of Money
From the Dayton Daily News..
From the Dayton Daily News..
COST OVERRUNS SCRAP NEW ENGINES FOR SOME WRIGHT-PATTERSON
By John Nolan
Friday, February 15, 2008
WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE &' The Air Force has decided that its
C‑5A Galaxy transport planes, including the 10 that are housed at
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, will not be fitted with new engines,
because of a multimillion-dollar cost overrun on the contract for
The C‑5A Galaxy models, which date to the early 1970s, are still
to receive replacements of their obsolete navigation,
surveillance equipment, said Lt. Col. Jennifer Cassidy, an Air
a spokeswoman at the Pentagon. They are the largest aircraft in the
The 445th Airlift Wing, an Air Force reserve unit based at
Wright-Patterson flies the C‑5As located there. The planes are
used to fly
military cargo to Europe for subsequent transport from there in
fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Pentagon was abandoning plans to replace the aging engines in
62 of the
C‑5A planes, John Young, undersecretary of defense for
technology and logistics said on Thursday, Feb. 14. The Air
proceed with engine replacements in 47 of the C5-B models and two
In November 2001, the Air Force awarded Lockheed Martin Corp. an
billion contract to replace old engines in all 111 planes, which
by the company. But the cost of the program had reached $17.5
September 2007, the Air Force said.
The cost overrun triggered a Nunn-McCurdy violation, which
Pentagon to notify Congress when cost excesses on a major program
Young said that under the new contract, Lockheed's costs cannot
million per plane.
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2242 or
ABOUT THE C‑5A GALAXY
The plane has four engines, stands six stories tall, and is almost
as a football field. It can carry more than a quarter of a
of cargo, including tanks, helicopters, and troops.
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base received its 10 C‑5As between
and January 2007. They replaced the C‑141 aircraft that the Air
Sunday, February 17, 2008 07:04 am
Whidbey Island NAS POW Meeting
NAS WHIDBEY ISLAND, WA
In December of 1972, an extremely aggravated President Nixon
best bargaining chip: American air power. The Paris Peace talks
down (again) and Nixon gave Hanoi 72 hours to return to the
refused. This time, lock wired into attacking virtually every
military and economic significance in North Vietnam, Nixon told
Chairman (Thomas Moorer) "I don't want anymore of this crap about
couldn't hit this target or that one. This is your chance to use
power to win this war." (He then added the caveat that "If you
hold you responsible.") To bring the Vietnamese back to the
table, the U.S.
used one of the most powerful tools in its aerial arsenal&'the
addition to the BUFs, other Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps
called upon as supporting aircraft. Linebacker II, also known as
Christmas bombings, brought Hanoi to its knees. Eleven days of
in the Hanoi/Haiphong area achieved its goal of "maximum
selected military targets." During that 11 day campaign, 17 BUFs
down. My late husband, Roger Lerseth, was sitting on his honey
time dysentery) in the Hanoi Hilton during that time and said
shrapnel flying around the prison cell but no direct hits. He was
the precision of an arc light bombing. They dropped the bombs
from so high
up you didn't hear them until they hit. Linebacker II led
directly to the
release of our POWs.
Thirty-five years ago to this exact date Operation Homecoming
the first C‑141 lifted off from Hanoi's Gia Lam Air Base, and,
AFB, brought the first "taxi" full of American POWs home. NASWI
that anniversary on 12 February 2008.
The air in the O'Club that day was redolent with memories that
thick you had to swat them away, shoot downs and escapes were
re-fought&'hands swooping and darting in complex ballets that
when aviators get together to re-fight their sorties. The
layered on what "&'might have been if only;" the joy of seeing
Yankee Air Pirates; and knowing they, too, had survived. A
celebrate the event began at 1130. Sponsored by MOAA, the ANA,
and the PBY
Memorial Foundation, our guest speaker was former POW CAPT Bill
(USN, Ret) who provided some insightful comments about
commitment, and, as Ray Kinsella would say, "Going the distance."
always pleasant experience to re-live, Bill did a superb job and
thronged by folks wanting to talk to him and to the other POWs.
BZ, Bill. I
thank you. Also present and (I hope) enjoying the company, the
JP5, sweaty flight suits, and Jet Noise: The Sound of
former POWs: Wes Schierman and his wife Faye, Gary Thornton and
Jeannie, Larry Writer, and Bill Wilson (who is doing his best to
himself and blame it on Rog). And, I'd like to think, the B-52
there&'Ed Wildeboor (George?), Jim Farmer, and Jim Carlton got
fuzzies for the recognition of the significant role they played
the POWs return home happen.
I was an Ensign, Nurse Corps, at Bethesda when I worked on the
Homecoming ward. I had worn Bill Metzger's POW bracelet for three
was thrilled to hear that he would be returning to Bethesda and I
able to give it to him personally. He had just arrived the night
came on my morning shift. He and Bonnie were in his hospital room
was about 0630&'completely composed, incredibly articulate, I was
say what I wanted to say. So, with great savior faire, I burst
and handed him the bracelet muttering something. I have no idea
probably thought I was daft&'but what I wanted to say (though I
the right words then), was&' Welcome home &' GBU &' CUL. Peach
The three photos below were taken by K.C. Pohtilla
Below please find a press release by www.news.navy.mil regarding our celebration of
Operation Homecoming. Not mentioned below (but mentioned in the next Migsweep...so
stand by!) is that there were other POWs and B-52 folks there. Also in attendance
were POWs: Wes Schierman and his wife Faye; Gary Thornton and his wife Jeannie; Larry
Writer; Bill Wilson; and, of course, our guest speaker Bill Metzger. In addition,
Linebacker II efforts and B-52 folks were recognized and those who were there were:
Ed Wildeboor, Jim Farmer, and Jim Carlton. (And then, of course me, representing Rog
Lerseth and coordinating the effort.) A good time was had by all! Ahh, nothing like
the smell of sweaty flight suits and JP5 to get your adrenalin pumping!!
My thanks to all you Yankee Air Pirates for all you did and
Whidbey Island Commemorates 35th Anniversary of Operation Homecoming
Story Number: NNS080215-07
Release Date: 2/15/2008 9:36:00 AM
By Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Tucker M. Yates, Fleet Public Affairs
Center, Det. Northwest
OAK HARBOR, Wash. (NNS) -- Vietnam War veterans and members of
the Whidbey Island community gathered to remember Operation Homecoming at Naval Air
Station (NAS) Whidbey Island, Feb. 12.
Operation Homecoming marked the end of peace negotiations between former
Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and North Vietnam's Le Duc Tho, Jan. 27,
1973, resulting in the first of four groups of Prisoners of War being released Feb.
Approximately 150 people attended the anniversary luncheon at the
Whidbey Island Officers' Club.
Retired Navy Capt. Bill Metzger was the guest speaker for the
gave the audience an opportunity to hear about the events which
shortly after his F-8 Crusader took off from the flight deck of
Homme Richard (CV 31) and the years that followed.
"Only a few hours later, I found myself lying naked on a
stretcher in a
12-foot square windowless, dirt floor room," said Metzger. "For
month I was left alone to ward off the grim reaper and survive.
With a left
forearm ripped apart by shrapnel, a fractured right leg and two
slugs in my
left hip, I was indeed a mess."
After a month he began to fear he would lose his arm to gangrene
to fabricate answers to interrogations. In return for his
they removed the shrapnel and slugs with little or no anesthesia.
spoke of the treatment prisoners received to allow the Vietnamese
"Everyone was broken, not to divulge military information of
value, but to
be brought to submission through the ensuing years, frequent
beatings and other forms of punishment," said Metzger. "Never
see or speak to anyone outside our cell was consistent with the
obsession to keep us completely submissive. It seemed that they
feared us, so keeping us separated and unorganized served to
Metzger was released on Mar. 4, 1973, in the second wave of
Homecoming after spending nearly six years as a prisoner in North
"Remembering our return 35 years ago, it was not as it is so
referred to as the return of 'American heroes,' but as fiercely
Americans," said Metzger. "I thank you, I thank my country, and I
God for being able to be back with you again. God Bless you and
Lt. Cmdr. Brian Danielson, Electronic Attack Squadron 129, who
the remains of his father, Capt. Ben Danielson, from Laos and
laid him to
rest June 15, 2007, felt this event was a good reminder of those
sacrificed for their country in the past.
"We have to give respect to the people who served and sacrificed
through their deployments and their service and I would never
want to see
them overlooked," said Danielson. "I don't think you can hear it
I think today's officers and enlisted are benefited by getting to
these stories of people who've made hard sacrifices and who've
tradition for us to follow."
2/9/2008 9:46:32 AM
Operation Homecoming Remembered
From the February 6th Whidbey News Times:
Sound Off: Operation Homecoming remembered
Feb 06 2008
By Christine Picchi
Vietnam ... 35 years ago. The peace that seemed so promising in
1972 never materialized and the Paris peace talks broke down
Dec. 13. On Dec. 14, a thoroughly exasperated President Nixon
ultimatum to Hanoi: return to the negotiating table within 72
refused. To bring the Vietnamese back to the table, the U.S. used
the most destructive tools in its aerial arsenal: the B-52
In addition to the "BUFs," other Navy, Air Force, and Marine
called upon for supporting aircraft. Linebacker II, also known as
Christmas Bombings, brought Hanoi to its knees. Eleven days of
in the Hanoi/Haiphong areas achieved its goal of "maximum
selected military targets." (JCS directive of Dec. 15, 1972.)
On Jan. 27, 1973, U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and
Vietnam's Le Duc Tho finally negotiated a peace treaty that
resulted in the
release of all POWs in exchange for the complete withdrawal of
from South Vietnam. By the following month, our POWs started to
a nation that had been violently divided about the war came
welcome them home
Thirty-five years ago this month, on Feb. 12, 1973, the first
wave of POWs
was released and boarded a C‑141 of the Air Force's 445th Wing at
in Hanoi, North Vietnam. Dubbed the "Hanoi Taxi," it headed to
Clark AFB in
the Philippines. The DoD repatriation program was called
POWs on the first Freedom Flight were those who had been there
and those who were most seriously injured. Then Navy Captain,
Senator, Jeremiah Denton who had been a POW for seven and a half
spoke for all of them as the first man off that aircraft. "We are
have had the opportunity to have served our country under
circumstances. We are profoundly grateful to our Commander in
Chief and our
Nation for this day. God bless America."
The images we saw during the landing of that flight and the ones
followed will remain engraved on our minds forever: The pale
officers, the ecstatic wives and mothers, the exuberant sons and
all running toward each other with tears of joy streaming down
as they finally embraced.
The 35th Anniversary of the start of Operation Homecoming will be
celebrated at the Officers' Club on NAS Whidbey Island on
Tuesday, Feb. 12.
Capt. Bill Metzger, a former NAMPOW, will be the guest speaker at
luncheon at 11.30 a.m.. It is sponsored by the Military Officers'
Association of America, the Association of Naval Aviation, and
Memorial Association. Guests are welcome but you must have a
There are security issues, too, so if you do not have a valid
sticker on your car further information is required. Contact
Picchi at 360.679.6578 or
email@example.com by Feb. 9 to ensure base access and a seat
and meal at
Christine Picchi, Capt., USN (Ret.), is the widow of a former
lives in Oak Harbor.
Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:42 am
It speaks for itself:
Saturday, January 26, 2008 09:47 am
Bandwidth ... I'm getting smarter...slowly
After the fiasco with the retirement video and a huge amount of downloads which
exceeded my permitted bandwidth limit I had to remove it. Exceeding bandwidth is like
using too many cell-phone minutes ... and even more expensive (my 'normal'hosting
arrangement runs about $10/month, which my wife has tolerated quite well for the past
few years ...... this disaster cost me over $500 in extra charges and now I'm on her
semi-permanent S**T list, at least until she gets some new shoes or jewelry to
I have therefore posted the video to YouTube.... See this link:
There are a couple of other C‑141 videos I created as well that have been
uploaded by other folks over the past year or so. See:
End of the Line
If you've never blown an entire afternoon on YouTube, be warned ... you can
spend the entire day chasing links to "interesting things" and you never
exactly what you'll see.
Friday, January 18, 2008 07:30 am
Big Bandwidth Issue
We have been informed by our web hosting service that C141Heaven is using
excessive amount of bandwidth ... they want to double my hosting charges to
provide the extra bandwidth to cover these downloads,(and even that might
be enough.)In checking out the source of the problem I found that the
of the bandwidth used (about 95% of it) is related to download of a few
large movie files ... so I have removed the larger ones from the site .. if
somebody has a web server of their own and would not mind hosting these
for us or if you know all about how to reduce the size of the files so they
won't be so big please let me know.
Monday, January 14, 2008 04:03 pm
More About Cole Black
A few days ago I posted a newspaper article about Cole Black, a Navy
and former Viet Nam war POW who recently died in a private plane crash. I
note over the weekend from Carl Hayden. Carl is a loadmaster at
Wright-Patterson and was on the crew of 66‑0177 when they made the last
the AF Museum on May 6th,2006.
It was sad to hear Cole Black had been killed in a private plane
did not know him personally but I knew I had to share something
the article it stated he had returned to Vietnam in 1994 and
some bricks from the Hanoi Hilton as it was being torn down. When
Michael Wynne attended the C‑141 POW re-creation flights on 5 May
personnel assist, John Wheeler, accompanied him.
Mr. Wheeler handed me a brick with Cole Black's name on it with a
1994 and 2006 and asked me if I would take it with me on the last
I was honored to be on the crew that flew the Hanoi Taxi to the
Museum of the USAF on 6 May 2006. I put the brick in my helmet
bag and took
it on the flight with me. A brick from the Hanoi Hilton flew on
flight of the Hanoi Taxi.
Saturday, January 12, 2008 09:24 am
Not Quite Per S.O.P.
J.A. Williams, who now works at McChord on the C17 simulator, sent in this
pic and caption:
Air drop mission over Alaska, flying out of McChord. Mid 80's? I forget where we were
in the formation but we were obviously not last. hahaha. I was at the panel when the
prox warning went off and I looked out to see this guy peeking over our copilot's
shoulder. (He was a good buddy of our AC and we'd all been partying the night
before...imagine that.) He actually came closer than this, but by the time I got my
camera out he'd started to drop back. I've seens tons of 141 pics but don't recall
any formations quite like this. Sorry the quality is so poor but hemet bag cameras
generally weren't high qual.
Saturday, January 12, 2008 08:14 am
He was a Navy man ... but spent a few wonderful hours on the C‑141 with
other POW's when they were released from Hanoi in 1973 ....
Courtesy Karen Black
Cole and Karen Black smile during a POW reunion in 2004.
From the San Diego Union-Tribune, Nov 10, 2007
By Adrian Vore
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
November 10, 2007
Cole Black of Escondido, who by his own count spent 2,428 days,
and 35 minutes as a POW in Vietnam, died Friday in a plane crash
Delano in the Central Valley.
Two others also died in the accident &' Bruce Klein, the owner of
pizza restaurants in Oregon, who was flying the plane, and Sally
a retired schoolteacher &' the News-Review newspaper in Douglas
Black was flying in a Piper Aerostar twin-engine plane from
McClellan-Palomar Airport in Carlsbad. He had visited Roseburg,
speak to students about his experience as a prisoner of war. He
turned 75 Nov. 28.
The plane crashed before noon in an orange grove after
mechanical problems, said Karen Black, his second wife, from
their home in
Black, a former Navy captain, spent seven years as a POW. He was
F-8 Crusader on a mission over North Vietnam in June 1966 when a
fighter downed his plane. He was 33 years old, had a wife and two
and was one week away from going home.
He ejected from the plane and tried to hide in some tall grass.
captured almost instantly," he told The San Diego Union-Tribune
in a 2003
He was held in four prisons, including the infamous "Hanoi
"It's a feeling no one really knows," Black said in the
knows what it is like to totally lose your freedom and be reduced
nothing. You're thousands of miles from home and haven't got
Black said he spent part of his time in a 7-by-9-foot cage, with
slab for a bed. Twice a day, the guards served him meals &' a
dish of rice
and boiled greens that grew in swampy, septic water.
He endured through his stoicism, his wife said Friday night. "He
rattled. He also had "an honest belief that the country wouldn't
down," and he would be freed, she said.
His strength carried him through terrible times. She said that
after he was captured, interrogators told him, "We will reduce
you to a
His captors bound his arms so tightly that he still carried
One of his worst moments occurred a month after his capture, said
Black, 69. He and other prisoners were forced to walk through the
of Hanoi in a propaganda spectacle that became known as the Hanoi
People began throwing rocks and hitting the POWs, who barely
But it was during the march that Black learned of the code POWs
communicate with one other. It would relieve what he told his
"hours of boredom interrupted things less desirable."
Despite the misery, Black found a positive aspect to his
one among us would wish to get shot down again, but I think it
life for the better. I came back with a real zest to live. I
wanted to do
some things," he said in a 2005 interview with the Union-Tribune.
Black and other POWs were released in February 1973. Karen Black
knew they would be freed the day the guards removed the radios in
prisoners' cells that were used to blare propaganda to torment
Although Black was able to withstand his captivity, his marriage
first wife could not. It fell apart within a month of his return,
The emotional toll of coming home to a broken marriage was almost
difficult to deal with than his suffering in Vietnam, she said.
Many POWs experienced the same pain, which led Karen Black to
write a novel
based on the ruined marriages. She self-published the book "Code
Conduct" in 2002. Her research included listening to 12 hours of
which her husband told military debriefers in 1973 about his time
as a POW.
Karen Black met her husband-to-be Nov. 27, 1973, at Bully's East
in Mission Valley, where each had arrived separately with friends
to have a
few drinks. She said they ended up talking for six hours.
"He was genuine, real, such a nice guy," she said. They married
Cole Black was born Nov. 28, 1932. He was raised on a farm in
Minn. He joined the Navy as an enlisted man at age 17 so he could
world, Karen Black said. He rose to petty officer first class in
four years, and the Navy selected him to attend Officer Candidate
He graduated in 1955 and earned his wings two years later.
He retired from the Navy in 1986, the same year he and Karen
Escondido. He attended National University and earned a master's
business and a real estate broker's license. He worked for High
Realty in Escondido.
Black returned to Vietnam for a visit in 1994 after Karen bought
for a cruise. "It was the best vacation we ever had," she said.
They arrived at the "Hanoi Hilton" the day workers were tearing
The couple collected pieces of brick as mementos.
Black served for four years as president of NAM-POWs, the
fraternal association of repatriated Vietnam prisoners of war.
In addition to his wife, he is survived by daughters Christie
Geilenkirchen, Germany, and Stacy Edwards of Escondido; sons Rick
La Mesa, Doug Edwards of Tucson, Ariz., and Brad Edwards of
Marlin Black, and sister, Vonne Oliver, both of Lake City, Minn;
grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Thanks to John LeJeune for signing the guestbook and pointing us in
thedirection of this story....
Thursday, January 10, 2008 03:31 pm
This should make you mad ....
George Miller forward me a copy of a newspaper article that recently
in the Charleston Post and Courier newspaper. It's a sad story about our
current airlift capability.
HERE to read it.
Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:29 am
Gary Freniere, (TSgt-retired), formerly of the 653d CLSS at Robins AFB, GA,
sent in some photos of 66‑0149 truckin' on down the highway back in
2000. You can see them and read about the trip on the
Thursday, January 10, 2008 09:18 am
62nd/McChord Breakfast Club
From Bill Crammatte
Well folks, it is that time again! I trust everyone had a
Christmas and New Year.
Last month we had nine guys show up for the breakfast and what a
was. It lasted for the better part of an hour and a half. There
yarns being spun and stories being told in the parking lot
a great bunch of people we had the pleasure to serve with.
We do it again this Saturday, January 12th at 10:00 at Denny's
Bridgeport Way and across Interstate 5 from the main gate at
you were part of the Starlifter's history, 62MAW or any MAW, come
for breakfast and some great company and conversation.
I certainly hope to see you there!
(206) 243-1786 Cell (206) 200-8061
Thursday, January 10, 2008 08:29 am
63rd/Norton Breakfast Club
From E.A. Jeffries:
Just a word or two from the 63rd M.A.W. Breakfast Club.We started
meeting just over two years ago with three members. We now have
75 members. Just thought you would be interested in our progress.
We meet the 1st Tuesday of the month at the Airport Express Cafe
at the old
Norton AFB which is nowSan Bernardino International Airport. Next
should be Feb 5th.
Wednesday, January 9, 2008 10:51 am
The Outer Whorl
I got this note from Neal Schier, a former C‑141 pilot about a book he's
I flew it at McGuire and then in the reserves at Wright-Patt. I recently wrote a
book called "The Outer Whirl". The first few chapters talk about my experiences
when flying for 'MAC' during Panama, the first Gulf War, and then Somalia. I
have listed the link at Amazon below.
Although the book touches on a lot of different themes, old 141 crew-dogs may
appreciate some of the sea stories! I have flown a lot of different aircraft
since then, but I feel I could slip back into the old Starlifter and never knew
I had left! A true gem to fly.
You click here
to see the
book on Amazon, along with some nice reviews!
Saturday, January 5, 2008 09:29 am
C‑141 Prints Available
I got a note from Larry Kangas.
Larry was a nav for 21 years (15 in C‑141s). He is also quite an accomplished
painter and has a lot of nice aviation related murals and paintings to his
credit.You might not want to buy the one above (that's him in the foreground in
the blue suit, and I assume that's him on the tail of 66‑0165 with what appears
to be a 'non-regulation' haircut ... or maybe it was just a windy day!), but who
could argue that the two shown below would not make very nice additions to your
© Copyright Larry Kangas
Wednesday, January 2, 2008 04:13 pm
Size is Relative
Randy Bruck sent this photo to C141Heaven last week. It was taken in 1998
Lahaina (Maui). There was no airshow, but he mentioned"they were flying
thing like a stunt plane all around the bay".
Wednesday, January 2, 2008 10:34 am
F.E. TERPS Training Manual
An eBay find.... C‑141 Flight Engineer TERPS Training Manual.
Click here to download the PDF file.(107 pages, about 7.2 mb)
Wednesday, January 2, 2008 09:58 am
Donald Arthur Danner
I got this note from Karen (Danner) Reed this morning:
My father was in the 44th squadron at Travis and had to retire
six months early as he had terminal cancer. He did not blink an eye to the fact he
was going to die but he was upset because he could no longer fly.
My grandmother said that before he could walk...he was "flying
clothes pins" so there was no question about his first love. I am looking
for any pictures I can get as he only lived until he was 51. Donald
Arthur Danner (flight engineer) also known as "Dan". I feel as if my life won't
be completed until I know more of the history he experienced and learn more
about what he never would talk about....but you know ..that was how it was.
When he was on his way home from flying TDY...we would have our
own "RED ALERT" and the house was cleaned and ready for inspection. Of
course we never passed. My dad LOVED the C141.
He did training in 1965 October in Oklahoma after we came back
from Japan. Over the years I have run into people who flew with him. He did the Bob
Hope Tour in 1968 and I will now watch the DVD once more.
Karen Danner Reed
If you knew Don or have any stories or photos that might include him please
contact Karen @