Thursday, December 29, 2011 09:51 am
It seems like an odd request, but does anyone have a photo of the C-141 crew latrine? I got a note from someone working on a book and he needs one. If you had an interest in taking photos of this aspect of the C-141 please send it along so I can forward it to him. Contact me via email if you can come up with anything..
Sunday, December 11, 2011 08:00 am
Air France 447
One person's view on the Air France 447 crash. It has an quite interesting
take how such a thing could happen to anyone.
There's a link in this story to the Popular Mechanics article
which contains a full transcript of the last minutes of the flight.
You can also download the Popular Mechanics article in PDF form from this link (about 3.7mb)[Right-Click-Save-As].
Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:49 pm
Class 1 Accidents
Here's a link to a PDF file (about 1.8mb) listing all C141 Class-1 incidents from some sort of AF system that tracks these sorts of things.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:51 am
New Photo of 65-0253 Refueling Accident (7 Oct 1993)
Phil Webb submitted the photo below. Note the life raft on a flight-of-fancy just to the left of the aircraft.
Sunday, October 30, 2011 09:02 am
Piece of Crap Plane
Got this link via email from Steve Burgess. Admit it, there were times we all said this.
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 03:57 pm
64-0641 -- Olympic Mountains Crash
For no particular reason I was searching the web this morning for more
information and comments
about the crash of 64-0641 and came across a Washington state
history web site that had quite a list of newspaper article references which you
towards the bottom of the tail number page.
Try as I might I was unable to locate any of them .. but if you live in the Seattle area and have a Seattle Public Library card you can supposedly access the archives of all the Seattle Times (and possibly the Seattle-PI). If you are the curious sort and have time to waste I'd greatly appreciate any of the source articles mentioned in the list referenced above.
Since I was in the base theater when General John H. Gonge went postal on Colonel Schafer (I think he was deputy wing commander or possibly 62nd operations commander..can't quite remember), I'm particularly seeking the two articles from the Times noted in the reference list for March 28th!
If you are a Tacoma resident the Tacoma-News-Tribune might even have more articles in the late March/May/June '75 time frame as well. A little research project for your spare time.
Contact me via email if you can come up with anything..
Sunday, September 11, 2011 07:18 am
Wednesday, September 7, 2011 04:03 pm
Unidentified Tail #
While browsing through some unposted photos today I found the image below. I can't make out a tail number or location. The only hint as to age is the unpainted area in front of the empennage which suggests an early crash. If anyone knows which aircraft this was please contact me via email.
The original photo I had a copy of was a very damaged black and white print. While retouching tears and dust spots I had the image blown up to a very high magnification and noticed the remains of an engine just in front of the tail section.
Sunday, September 4, 2011 11:47 am
The Crash of 67-0006
Note the opening paragraph ... referring the the C-141 as a "small jet aircraft". Also, the middle column says "... a 27,000 pound cargo load restricted the number of people on board." [Don't believe everything you read in the papers].
Earlier in the week, Richard Humphrey, also sent two links with photos of the site of the crash:
Link #1 Link #1
GEOGRAPH is an interesting site whose aim is to collect geographically representative photographs and information for every square kilometer of Great Britain and Ireland. The site generously allows re-posting of it's photos (with proper attributions). Here's a series of them.
© Copyright Richard Humphrey
Entrance to the Memorial Site ... © Copyright Richard Humphrey
© Copyright Richard Humphrey
© Copyright Ian Simmons
Thorney Dyke Road ... near the memorial site © Copyright Julian Dowse
© Copyright Tony Bennett
Monday, August 29, 2011 11:39 am
Nice Note From Former Pilot ... Don Brown
I arrived from Tinker in 1967 as the only 2/Lt in a 1,200 or so man squadron. There were 16 Browns. I was immediately dubbed "Whitey Brown". The Squadron Commander was a Bird Colonel who asked me if I would sew 1/Lt bars on for my first trip. Being a non-politician, I replied "If you can get me the paycheck."
First trip was with Lt.Col Jim Martin (15,000 hrs in C-124) A student Nav LtCol Mattei with 18,000 hrs to his Lt.Col Hatton Instructor with 20,000 hrs. The Loadmaster and Flight Engineer made me their "toy" pilot for the next 10 days. The MSgt.s had about 45,000 hours between them, so I was a real novelty.
I flew the"A" model for some 3,500 hours with an intervening tour on EC-47's.
Many years later I married Capt. Terri Ollinger who had only flown "B" models.
As a "bucket list" item, we took our son to Wright-Patt just before the deactivation of all C-141's. Here we are inside the "Freedom Bird" for the POW's in Viet Nam, as we flew what was, by that time a "C" Model C-141 on the way to Dover.Don Brown, MAC Animal (Ret)
Saturday, August 27, 2011 09:12 am
The C-141 Still Makes the News, (occasionally)
Base 'stretched' C-141s in 1979
by Mark Wilderman
60th Air Mobility Wing History Office
8/25/2011 - TRAVIS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. -- On Aug. 14, 1979, the 60th Military Airlift Wing sent the first of its 39 Lockheed C-141A Starlifter aircraft to the Lockheed-Georgia plant near Dobbins Air Force Base, Marietta, Ga., to be upgraded, or "stretched."
When the C-141A first entered service in April 1965, it became apparent that the aircraft's volume capacity was low compared to its lifting capacity. In other words, the C-141A ran out of physical cargo space before reaching its weight-carrying limit.
The stretch consisted of adding a 160-inch fuselage plug in front of the wing and 120-inch fuselage plug behind the wing, increasing the length of the cargo deck by 23 feet 4 inches. In addition, the upgrade included the installation of an air refueling receptacle on the upper fuselage, just behind the cockpit. The modified aircraft were designated C-141B.
By stretching the 270 C-141s in the Military Airlift Command fleet, the Air Force gained capability equal to an additional 90 new aircraft, plus increased range from the new air refueling capability.
On April 11, 1980, the first C-141B assigned to an operational wing in Military Airlift Command arrived at Travis, sporting the new gray and green "Lizard" camouflage scheme more suitable for combat operations. The last of MAC's 270 C-141 conversions was completed in 1982.
C-141s operated at Travis from 1965 to 1997, bridging the gap between the piston-powered Douglas C-124 Globemaster II and the Boeing C-17A Globemaster III. The Travis C-141s were retired in December 1997.
One of the 13 surviving C-141s, "The Golden Bear," is on display here at the corner of Burgan Boulevard and Travis Avenue.
Photo by Irving Williams, © 2005
Note:This photo has been edited with Photoshop (though not especially skillfully, by Mike Novack) to remove a hideous traffic light pole that exists on the corner in reality (who needs/wants reality these days anyway?) It appeared right in the middle of the aircraft when the picture was snapped from across intersection, so I 'zapped' it for a much nicer image.
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:14 am
Norton Vets Group Still Trying.
I got this note this morning from Ed Jeffries who is still working hard for a C-141 Memorial at the old March AFB
DEAR C-141 FRIENDS
I am Edward Jeffries Msgt USAF retired Flight Engineer who was stationed at Norton AFB Ca.
After all the planes left Norton, and none were still flying I was selected by a group of AF vets to try to save one C-141 serial number (64-0614). We gave a lot of time and money trying to get the bird transferred to Norton to make a memorial to all that flew and maintained this wonderful beautiful flying machine.
The Air Force lead us along for two years thinking that it would cost around $15,000 plus transportation. Them in 2011 they told us that the price was (hold your hats) $165,340 (and that's for just the front 40 feet). We don't have enough room for the whole fuselage but we do have a place that will make a beautiful Brick Memorial Garden where the sun shines almost everyday. Even though it's now the San Bernardino International Airport to the public >em>IT'S STILL NORTON TO US .
Now for the bricks. The cost is $100 each they will have three lines with 20 spaces, where one can place their name, rank, dates for on station and anything to their desire as long as it isn't foul. they are engraved and blue epoxy is placed in the letters. They do look very good.
Use your imagination..Here's a photo of our sample brick:
It's not necessary to have been stationed at Norton to sponsor a brick. If you want to be remembered just send your check which is tax deductible along with what you want on the brick. We will get them and place them around the area. We are hoping to have the dedication in late 2011 or 2012.
Send to 63/445 Norton Vets
7125 Elmwood Rd.
San Bernardino, Ca. 92404.
PLEASE HELP US!! WE WILL BE SO GRATEFUL THAT A THANK YOU JUST WILL NOT DO. Will have pictures in the blog.
Thanks Ladies and gentlemen.
Ed Jeffries Msgt USAF (retired)
Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:36 pm
Early Morning..A Long Time Ago.
Ron Reel. Taken the morning his unit deployed to RVN.
Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:22 pm
Those Darn Chinese!
Just when we learn they are launching their first flat-top, the one-up themselves with this on the drawing board.
Painted Blue to Boot
AND Folding Wings!
Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:22 pm
Just showed up in my inbox
Thoughts of a C-17 Aircraft Commander Thoughts on a recent day at work
I had an unforgettable day yesterday and wanted to share it with you. I know we've all sat around and discussed in detail why we do what we do and if we will be willing to continue to do what we do day in and day out regardless of deployments, retirement decisions, job opportunities, missed birthdays, missed holidays, etc. This is something I wanted to share and you were the people that came to mind. It's another reason I continue to serve.I guess because many others do and sacrifice a lot more, some even their lives.
My crew was alerted yesterday to find that our mission had changed. We were now a backup to a high priority mission originating from Afghanistan. When I asked where we would be going the answer was "back to the states". Later I learned our destination was Dover.
I was the aircraft commander for one of two C-17s that transferred the Chinook helicopter crash soldiers back home. The crew that started this mission in Afghanistan would end up running out of crew duty day and need another crew to continue the soldier's journey. We just happened to be available. After being alerted and going through our normal sequence, I found myself at the foot of the aircraft steps.
Before I took my first step upward I noticed a transfer case close to the door. I had only seen one in pictures. The American Flag was tucked smartly, folded and secured on top. I paused at the bottom of the stairs, took a deep breath and continued up with my mind and eyes focusing on making it to the next ladder leading to the cockpit. However, as I entered, I couldn't help but notice the remaining nineteen transfer cases in the cargo compartment. The entire cargo compartment was filled with identical transfer cases with American Flags. I made my way up to the cockpit and received a briefing from the previous aircraft commander. After the briefing we exchanged a handshake and the other pilot was on his way.
I felt a need to ensure the crew focused on their normal duties. I instructed the other two pilots to began the preflight. I went back down into the cargo compartment to see what needed to be done and find the paperwork I needed to sign. The cargo compartment was now filled with numerous people from the mortuary affairs squadron. They were busy adjusting, resetting and overall preparing the cases for their continued flight. Before they began I asked who was in charge because I knew there was paperwork I needed to sign. I finally found a Staff Sergeant who was working an issue with the paperwork. After it was complete, he brought it up to the cockpit for me to review and sign.
There are moments in life I will never forget. For me, it's the days my son and daughter were born. Another occurred five months ago when I had to deliver the unthinkable news to a mother that her son was killed in Afghanistan and although I didn't anticipate another day like that this soon, yesterday was another. I looked at the paperwork I was signing and realized the magnitude of the day. I glanced over the paperwork and signed. In a way, I felt I had taken ownership of these fallen soldiers. It was now my duty to ensure they make it home.
After confirming the preflight was complete and the aircraft was fueled, I went outside to start my walk-around. As I walked down the steps, a bus had parked in front of the aircraft and unloaded eleven passengers. The passengers were fellow SEAL team members who were escorting the fallen back to the states. I stood at the front of the aircraft and watched them board. Every one of them walked off the bus with focus in their eyes and determination in their steps; just as I imagine they do when they go on a mission. I made eye contact with the lead SEAL, nodded my head in respect and he nodded back.
Finishing my walk-around, I stopped at the bottom of the stairs. I looked up into the cargo compartment; two American Flags and one SEAL Team Six flag hung from the top of the cargo compartment. Three of twenty transfer cases visible; one with an American Flag and two with Afghan flags. I looked up at my aircraft and saw, "United States Air Force" painted on the side and I stood trying to take it all in. I wanted to make certain that I never forget these images. That I never forget the faces of the SEALS, the smell of the cargo compartment or the sun slowly rising over the landscape. It's important that I don't forget. We need to honor the dead, honor the sacrifice of the fallen.
I understand my role in getting these fallen soldiers home is insignificant compared to the lives they lived and the things they did for our country. Most of it we will never know. All I know is every American should see what I've seen. Every American should see the bus loads of families as they exit the freeway headed for Dover AFB to reunite with their fallen or witness the amount of time, effort, people and equipment that go into ensuring our fallen have a honorable return.
The very next day we took the same aircraft back overseas. We had leveled the aircraft at our cruise altitude and I walked down to the cargo compartment. No more American Flags hung from the ceiling. All the transfer cases were gone.
Instead I watched a father lay with his son, cradled on his chest, on the same spot that only yesterday held a fallen soldier. I watched a young girl, clutching a teddy bear, sleeping quietly where the fallen had laid. I realized so many Americans have no idea where the fallen lay.
I'm honored to be one that does.
C-17 Aircraft Commander
Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:15 pm
62nd Troop Carrier/AW Annual Picnic
On Saturday, September 10th , the 62nd Troop Carrier/Airlift Wing Association
will be holding its annual meeting and picnic starting at 10:00 a.m. in the
Heritage Room at the McChord Club. The pavilion at Holiday Park is undergoing
major repairs and therefore we had to change to an indoor picnic at the club.
Food will be served starting at 12:00 noon. The menu is green salad, potato salad, coleslaw, southern fried chicken, burgers and all the trimmings, french fries and fruit along with coffee, tea, water. We will also have a no host bar.
All current members are encouraged to attend, and potential members are also welcomed. Cost will be $7 per person.
For a good food count please RSVP to Otto Dobias at (253)862-0677 or email@example.com as soon as possible but no later than September 3rd.
Start planning now for the 2012 reunion - September 2012 - in Reno.
Sunday, July 24, 2011 03:31 am
141 Wins Tour de France
Cadel Evans, wearing # 141, won the 2011 Tour de France.
Wednesday, July 20, 2011 03:37 pm
A Real Puzzle
John Zimmerman, a former cargo load planning specialist at Norton AFB, found a C-141 puzzle which he forwarded on to me.
The box ..
The completed puzzle.
(thanks to my wife .. she's better at these sorts of things).
There's three 141's in there somewhere.
Monday, July 18, 2011 11:56 am
McGuire Starlifter Memorial Park
Former C-141 crewmember Bryan McPhee submitted a set of images of 66-7947 (Golden State Starlifter) at the McGuire Starlifter Memorial Park. Click here to view them. Scroll to the bottom of the page for the latest images.
Wednesday, July 6, 2011 05:57 am
US-chartered cargo plane crashes into Afghan mountaintop; 9 crew
members feared dead
By Associated Press, Published: July 5 | Updated: Wednesday, July 6, 4:47
KABUL, Afghanistan -- A Russian-designed Ilyushin-76 cargo plane chartered by
the U.S. military crashed into a mountaintop in eastern Afghanistan, officials
said Wednesday, as fears rose for the fate of its nine-member crew.
The plane hit a mountain peak late Tuesday night, around 11 p.m., said Sayed
Aleem Agha, the top official in Sayagred district of Parwan province, north of
Wednesday, June 22, 2011 09:33 am
The C-141 Still Lives at Charleston...
I stole this one from James Fuller's FaceBook page. He made a recent trip to
KCHS (in a C-17) and grabbed this shot:
Wednesday, June 1, 2011 04:09 pm
Altus C-141 Memorial Ceremony
Pics submitted by Jeff Englar .. evidently from an iPhone newsfeed of some kind.
Wednesday, June 1, 2011 03:15 pm
Very Cool Photo!
This one is from Frank Correa. I will be posting more over the next few weeks.
Ramp @ Kuwait AIP
Wednesday, June 1, 2011 02:43 pm
Interesting Info about some C-141 Testing Programs
Dave Stahre sent along several PDF files related to some testing he was involved with in the 80's and 90's for simulator upgrade and aerial refueling programs. Kohlman Systems Research in Lawrence, Kansas did the instrumentation and Edwards did the flight tests. "Have Flow" was the name of the AR test program at Edwards.
There are three separate PDF files for your enjoyment (try Right-Click/Save-AS if they don't display properly in your browser)
Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:21 am
Requiem for a Prototype
[From AirForce Magazine.com]
Volunteers are refurbishing the sole prototype of Lockheed's stretched C-141B transport at the Marietta Museum of History's Aviation Wing, adjacent to the Lockheed plant in Marietta, Ga., where workers built the airlifter. Designated YC-141B, the aircraft (serial number 66-0186) first flew in March 1977. It languished for many years in Lockheed Martin's boneyard, stripped of its wings and pilfered for parts until the Air Force retired the Starlifter fleet in 2006.
The volunteers reattached the aircraft's left wing early this month and are currently mounting the right wing, former Lockheed employee and restoration volunteer Bill Paden told the Daily Report. They aim to refurbish the flightdeck, exterior, and cargo hold "as funds permit," he said. Given that all C-141s in the Air Force's aircraft boneyard at Davis-Monthan AFB, Ariz., are "now reduced to scrap, virtually nothing is available to replace missing items," meaning replacement parts must be fabricated, said Paden.
At left, YC-141B shown in early March 2011 as workers were
reattaching its left wing. Shown right, the aircraft in its glory in 1979.
credit:Marietta Museum of History's Aviation Wing photo and Air Force photo
This additional note from Craig Johnson (forwarded by Paul Minert) discusses a bit more about 186.
Thanks for passing this long Paul, that aircraft has special meaning for me, in that I flew it in the test program at Edwards AFB, along with Al Capone, Darrel Hardman and Jay Berry. A couple others, Steve Johnson for one, flew with us on some of the airdrop tests, Steve was the OT&E test loadmaster. Al was the first loadmaster, I believe, to fly on it after it was stretched. Al, you did the baseline test also before it was stretched, right? anyway we had a few firsts, like the first time 40 CDS containers were dropped from a jet. the load weighed about 68,800 lbs if my memory is correct, & before a limit of 65000 lbs was put in the book for containers drops. Also flew the jet at 9% of MAC to determine what the new forward C/G limit should be. The A model had a stop in the T-tail so the leading edge, nose up attitude, could only be lowered so much. The B Model had that stop removed to allow more horizontal tail authority. This is provided for better use of the forward cargo space since the B was more easily put out of it's forward C/G limit of 18%. Of course they only moved the limit 2% to 16% but every little bit helped. This let the B model carry a fully served comfort pallet in PP 1 with an otherwise empty aircraft and have a large flight crew up front and be in C/G limits.
Sunday, May 1, 2011 11:09 am
Altus - Aircrew Memorial
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 03:52 pm
Norton C-141 Memorial....
The story of the Vets group at Norton trying to get a C-141 from DM placed at Norton continues. Ed Jeffries, who's doing a lot of the heavy lifting on this project sent this note:
Well Friends, we are getting there.
Since our group does not qualify to get government surplus property we have to
go through the City of San Bernardino. That took much too long in the city
agreeing to be the sponsor, but they finally said ok.
The Air Force still wants $165,340 for the plane. I wrote to the Chief of Staff
of the A.F. and asked him if the A.F. could donate the plane to the city, but
haven't heard back yet.
We now have just over $14,000.00 in our account and have been selling memorial
bricks to help with the funding. We need to sell somewhere around 2,500 bricks.
We still don't have a permanent site for the plane but I did pick out one which
they haven`t approved yet. Next week, I hope.
Now for the bricks. The cost is $100 each. They will have three lines with 20
spaces, where one can place their name, rank, dates for on station and anything
they desire as long as it isn't foul. They are engraved and blue epoxy is
placed in the letters. They do look very good. You don't have to have been
stationed at Norton to sponsor a brick.
If you want to be remembered just send your tax deductible check, along with
what you want on engraved the brick. We will get the bricks engraved and place
them around the base of the plane.
We are hoping to have the dedication 06-04-2011.
Please send donations to
63/445 Norton Vets
7125 Elmwood Rd.
San Bernardino, Ca. 92404
PLEASE HELP US!! WE WILL BE SO GREATFUL THAT A THANK YOU JUST WILL NOT
Will have pictures in the blog. Thanks Ladies and gentlemen.
Ed Jeffries Msgt USAF (retired)
7125 Elmwood Rd.
San Bernardino, Ca 92404
Sunday, February 6, 2011 01:05 pm
Ramp at the Lockheed plant in Marrieta Georgia.
Mark D. Smith sent this shot of the ramp at Lockheed taken when his crew took an A model home to get stretched and pick up a B model to take back to Travis. You can make out 4 B models (left to right) and one A model just to the right of those.